[bilbylove]

Originally Posted by miaow

Thanks for all the comments

She is a good little sleeper - generally I feed/change her and she doesn't really even wake up.

that's wonderful. Dreamchanges my midwife called those,

Tonight I tried my MM squares (they're the 100wt ones - I also had microfleece from spotlight, but found the MM better) - didn't help, as her nappies were soaked at 12am, and at 3am (i.e. now).

Yes, the MM microfleece is way better than the microfleece at spotters.
How big are your squares? Some people use rectangles, say 10 x 30cm - all depends what fits the nappies you are using (cut to fit).

I put a three layer bamboo booster (like the ones inside the BBB) on the outside of nappy in between wool cover - the front half of it was soaked too.

If she's a front wetter, you could also fold that booster in half and just put it in the front.

Am going to try a prefold inside a bigger pul cover next change....

what is the prefold made of?

I had thought of 'bed prepping' and when I was trying the BG2 on her at night I had her on a piece of thick wool blanket - but the thing is, the BB wool cover NEVER leaks - that is not my problem.

so if the BB wool cover never leaks, what is the problem then - i'm a bit lost now! Is it that you don't have ENOUGH of the bb wool covers? Is that the bit of info i'm missing (that would make me understand).

I have given my friend the heads up about a large cover - and if she doesn't have a wool one spare I have some bigger BB pul ones that I hadn't thought of using.

whatever cover you use, needs to cover the nappy entirely, but not be so big that you have tummy and leg gaps. With handknitted wool, you have more leeway, but it seems with fleece and PUL covers, sizing is more crucial to the fit.

I'm just wondering whether BBB are just not cutting it for us as a night nappy?

you've lost me again. If the BBB with the BB wool cover ARE working for you, how are the BBB NOT working for you as a night nappy?

If you open up your child's nappy combo, and the fitted underneath is soaked but they were dry to pick up, that is a sign to me that it's all working, but needs more boosting. Are you hoping to open up the nappy combo and find the outer of the fitted nappy partly dry? That will happen when you switch to dedicated night nappies in some situations. Like when i got a Lotus Night Nappy, my bub was saturating the boosters but the fitted shell of the nappy was pretty dry.

but it's not really comparing apples with apples to expect a day nappy to do what a night nappy does. Day nappy typically has HALF the amount of absorbency layers that a night nappy has.

Night nappies are more expensive due to the extra costs of sewing more layers into the nappy and the boosters - when you see how much bamboo and hemp costs, i think it's very justified. Buying your first one IS nervewracking, well it was for me. And the reality is, just like the day nappies, some products will work great for you, other products, no matter how good they are, may not suit YOUR bub's shape. Like i have bought some WONDERFUL beautifully sewn front snapping nappies, that don't suit my bub's shape at all. I had to work out by DOING, that my bub actually suited the side snappers. No way to work that out except by trying front and side snapping nappies on her, to work that out.

Do the front snapping baby beehinds fitteds suit her shape? If they do, at least that's one piece of information that might help you decide "i will look for front snapping night nappies" for example - cos you already know that type of closure suits her.

Front snapping night nappies? wild child, sandman, bits for bots fleece Ai2,
Front aplix night nappies? snoozywuns, cherub's kiss honeyboys,

I'll have to see how the Wild Child goes - of course I'm not really sure I understand about these more expensive special night nappies - they're not supposed to make it through the night in just one, are they? And therefore, if you need more than one, it gets very pricey!

my bub was in her night nappy last night for 12 hours. You do need a few in rotation, due to the drying time of them. It also helps to have more inserts than nappies. e.g with the AI2's, the shell dries much faster than the boosters.

Haven't experimented with the flongies/longies option. I have some reservations about wool on her skin, because I have eczema and can't wear wool - but I suppose trying it for a night wouldn't hurt.

The thing about the woolies, loads of people say exactly what you say, but in MCN woollies, the wool often goes through a different treatment. Apparently, it is frequently the type of dyeing and other processes that wool goes thru, that makes it itchy on our skin. With MCN woollies, many WAHM's hand dye the wool and control what processes it goes thru. There are organic wool options too - no dye. Once again, like most things in MCN, it's impossible to know for 100% before you try. That's why buying just ONE of a new thing to you and your bub, is a good idea. I tried ONE woollie on my bub, she wasn't irritated by it, i loved how dry she was to pick up, i had a go at handwashing and lanolising, that was fine - so all that gave me the confidence to get another one.

THere's great free patterns and advice on knitting your own MCN woollies on this forum under teh DIY KNITTING section - if you or a kind grandma can knit.

i have found, ever since finding MCN online, there have been SO MANY concepts in MCN that i could read about til the cows come home, but until i actually tried one out for myself (drypailing, woollies, night nappies, little squirt, using MCN when out, etc) i didn't REALLY geddit or believe it. THen the lightbulb goes off, and you're thinking "why didn't i do this earlier, too easy!".

You're right, bilbylove, exhausted and frustrated! Especially since I know she would probably sleep longer if she didn't feel wet!! Those liners are great, but just can't stand up to the flood beneath them!

my immediate thought is - she needs a night nappy.

Liners are made from STAY DRY fabric.
the urine should pass THRU the fabric to the absorbency fabric below
i thought what would happen (theoretically) if the baby outwet the absorbency layers, was that the OUTER material would wick (get wet).
i am guessing that maybe if their is not enough absorbency layers, maybe even the liner gets soaked too.
i am saying theoretically, cos i think i have been putting my bub in more layers of absorbency than she really needs, for ages (cos i keep thinking one day she will be a heavy wetter, might as well get used to it now), so we haven't been experiencing the drenchings you're talking about.

I read the other day, a NC mum said her bub was a heavy wetter around six months, then it calmed down, then became a heavy wetter again as a toddler - so maybe there are stages?

at your bub's age, i had my bub in malden mills windpro pockets with bamboo trifolds for night - and i would change her - her skin would be dry (if it was just a wet nappy) - i assume this was because the bamboo trifold was sufficient for her wee output. As she grew, and weed more, i upped the layers of absorbency.

Night nappies ARE meant to go all night, cos some bubs don't wake up overnight, or find "dream changes" too disturbing. you know what i 'm gonna say! all bubs are different.

my bub was fine for dream changes, but woke up if she heard velcro opening.

YAWN!!

my 17month old has just started sleeping six hours a night - i'm so grateful!!!